226. Tunnel Light Marathon 2024 Race Recap and Race Review

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[00:01:01] Hey, runners, and welcome to Episode 226.

[00:01:05] My name is Letty.

[00:01:06] My name is Ryan.

[00:01:07] And we are back today with one of my favorite styles

[00:01:09] or types of episodes which is the Race Recaps.

[00:01:13] You love those Race Recaps.

[00:01:15] I really do, just like a love expose,

[00:01:17] but we're gonna hop all into that.

[00:01:18] So, we're gonna talk about Race that I did last weekend

[00:01:22] on September 8th of 2024.

[00:01:25] I ran the Tunnel Light Marathon.

[00:01:28] Well, was your time and was it close to your predicted time that you thought?

[00:01:32] It was better than my predicted I think.

[00:01:34] I don't think we had a precise...

[00:01:36] No, I would say what you predicted you.

[00:01:38] Your time would be.

[00:01:39] What you thought you would get?

[00:01:40] I thought I would get right around 330.

[00:01:42] And...

[00:01:43] I got a 329 and something for 5...

[00:01:47] So, pretty much on point, right?

[00:01:49] What's 15 seconds at 26 miles?

[00:01:50] Yeah, it's true.

[00:01:52] So does the Race live up to its name?

[00:01:55] Yes, there was a light at the end of the tunnel

[00:01:57] and we'll hop all into that.

[00:02:00] How about you...

[00:02:01] Can you tell us about the Race?

[00:02:02] Or you want to go through the whole traditional recap

[00:02:04] like traveling and everything?

[00:02:07] Yeah, let's do it.

[00:02:08] Let's start with a little bit about the Race

[00:02:09] so I think you were on the right track here.

[00:02:12] So where was this Race?

[00:02:14] So this Race took place around North Bend,

[00:02:18] Washington, Washington State.

[00:02:19] Actually, it's a point to point race.

[00:02:22] So it was going from the Snow Kwame Pass

[00:02:25] to North Bend area,

[00:02:28] which is just a little bit east.

[00:02:31] So a little bit south-east of Seattle,

[00:02:33] but obviously inland.

[00:02:35] Have you been to that area before?

[00:02:36] Cause you used to live in Washington?

[00:02:38] Yes, so I lived in Seattle for five years

[00:02:41] and while I lived there, we went on hikes

[00:02:43] and Snow Kwame, there's no Kwame Pass

[00:02:46] is the one drive that gets you over to Eastern Washington.

[00:02:49] So I've been there a couple of times

[00:02:51] and also I recognized the area from going Snowboarding

[00:02:55] because, as you know, it's in the mountains,

[00:02:57] it hasn't snow yet, but there are all the ski lifts

[00:03:01] and all the other stuff that you enjoy

[00:03:02] when you live in the state of Washington.

[00:03:05] Could you see some of the ski resorts while you're running?

[00:03:07] Yes, no, not while you're running,

[00:03:09] but while you're driving to the right track.

[00:03:10] Oh, okay.

[00:03:11] So can you tell us a little bit more

[00:03:14] about the course, little details?

[00:03:16] Yeah, so this is a point to point race.

[00:03:18] I think I already said that, but it's on a downhill grade,

[00:03:22] so you in total get about 2,000 feet of elevation loss

[00:03:27] and I think the grade of it is like 2.2%.

[00:03:30] So it is a course that's not brutally downhill

[00:03:33] and at some points of the race,

[00:03:36] it's not even really noticeable downhill

[00:03:38] but you definitely have a feel of a little bit

[00:03:40] assist while you're running this.

[00:03:43] The course of the race, the terrain is packed gravel

[00:03:46] or I guess in our case it wasn't as packed

[00:03:49] as it could have been because it's been pretty dry up there.

[00:03:52] It's an old rail road and so you don't just imagine

[00:03:56] fire road gravel almost a little bit technical

[00:03:58] at times because of rocks in the path.

[00:04:03] And so I guess we can talk about that later

[00:04:05] but for people that will not listen to the full episode

[00:04:08] one of the biggest tips I have for this race

[00:04:10] is to not wear your alpha flies, maybe cool with something

[00:04:14] that sits a little bit lower and has a little bit more traction.

[00:04:19] So it sounds like it's kind of in the wilderness

[00:04:20] a little bit which is something I would like but

[00:04:23] how was it set up in terms of like hydration stations

[00:04:27] or other stuff?

[00:04:29] Yeah so there was approximately I think it was 10 hydration stations

[00:04:33] and they were spread out so every 2 and a half miles

[00:04:36] you'd come up on that and just like in any other races

[00:04:38] they had plenty of water and then they also had electrolytes

[00:04:42] which in this case they used tailwind.

[00:04:45] And I think they even had gels at some station I was told

[00:04:49] but I think I missed that one.

[00:04:51] But I mean as you know most runners carry their own gels anyway

[00:04:54] so I had plenty in my pockets.

[00:04:58] What about restrooms?

[00:05:00] They were for the parties supposedly.

[00:05:03] They didn't pay attention to them.

[00:05:05] I didn't need to use them but there's also the woods right?

[00:05:08] I mean the woods are right there and if you had to go

[00:05:11] or gently it's not like you're gonna go in someone's yard.

[00:05:15] So I mean amongst runners amongst us and the listeners

[00:05:18] who hasn't gone in the woods right?

[00:05:22] I think I might prefer the woods to a dirty bathroom

[00:05:24] but...

[00:05:25] And you know what I did too?

[00:05:27] At the starting line of the race when I was two

[00:05:30] impatient to wait and line I just went in the woods

[00:05:32] and I met plenty of people that were also in the woods.

[00:05:37] Yes, so you mentioned it was down hill.

[00:05:39] Does that make it a fast course?

[00:05:41] Yes, it's actually rated at a BQ percentage of 33.7

[00:05:46] so meaning that out of all the participants

[00:05:49] 33.7% this year qualified for Boston at this race.

[00:05:54] It's a smaller race.

[00:05:55] There were 831 people that ran it this year.

[00:05:59] It was a good size though so it never felt like super lonely

[00:06:01] and never got drawn out that much.

[00:06:05] Just for comparison do you have a BQ percentage

[00:06:07] for another marathon?

[00:06:08] Yeah, I can compare it for example to Chicago which is a very flat

[00:06:13] and fast course in the United States the BQ percentage for that one last year

[00:06:18] was 19 and a half percent.

[00:06:20] Oh wow.

[00:06:21] So you know Chicago's flat this one is on a little bit of a downhill slope.

[00:06:26] I was actually thinking too if you were to do a first marathon in the one at one.

[00:06:29] You know it might be a good to find one not this one necessarily but just one that has like a

[00:06:35] gradual downhill the whole course because it does kind of

[00:06:39] doesn't make it more difficult than the normal training but it kind of gives you that extra

[00:06:43] little push I think.

[00:06:45] I agree 100 percent.

[00:06:47] So you mentioned before that you weren't training much for this one so can you comment on your

[00:06:51] training?

[00:06:53] Yeah, so we had a really great summer with the kids and something had to give

[00:06:57] the training had to give at this point I think I had two weeks of a mileage higher than 50

[00:07:04] in the last six months.

[00:07:06] I just looked that up on Strava and that's you know just to compare to my previous years

[00:07:13] when I'm training for a marathon I'm always over 60 miles per week for you know 10

[00:07:18] 20 weeks so that was a huge difference and so unfortunately I feel like due to that lack of

[00:07:25] training I couldn't take advantage of the course as much because you know it was more like okay

[00:07:30] how long am I going to be able to sustain the pace that I'm going and when am I going to get

[00:07:34] fatigue but I think due to the downhill the two percent grade downhill I didn't feel as fatigue

[00:07:41] as I was probably would have felt if this would have been on flat.

[00:07:46] Okay those are kind of the tidbits or key talking points because

[00:07:52] you hadn't done a marathon like that you wanted to detail it but do you want to go into the

[00:07:57] more traditional experience of your whole weekend so talk about your trip to Washington and

[00:08:04] the people you met there.

[00:08:05] Yeah so the closest airport to get to this race is obviously going to be Seattle Seattle Tacoma

[00:08:11] and I guess that used to live in Seattle so I was very familiar with the area I traveled with my

[00:08:17] friend Patty from Fort Myers where we currently are living and she was going for it because she

[00:08:24] was trying to get a good time in her race also we were planning on meeting up with our friend Wes

[00:08:30] who is currently living in Boston who was also meeting other friends from Texas so it was

[00:08:37] a few people that I knew I was going to be able to know we left Florida on Friday and because of

[00:08:43] different we got to Seattle around noon we spent the day in Seattle exploring Pike's Place

[00:08:50] Market because Patty had never been and we also explored the waterfront in the downtown area and I managed

[00:08:57] to meet up with one of my friends very briefly on that Friday prior to heading to our hotel to

[00:09:04] turning for the night and then you know get ready for Saturday where we would attend the Expo

[00:09:09] and just chill all that stuff I do before the marathon you said right up with one of your friends

[00:09:14] you mean like one of your Washington friends we used to live there or yes yes yes one of my

[00:09:19] friends that I hadn't seen since I left there so day number one what happened on day number two

[00:09:25] day number two was the day of the Expo given that your race size is a lot smaller than the

[00:09:36] school it was very small but it was very nicely done you were able to quickly pick up your

[00:09:43] bib you were able to change waves and moved to our earlier or later wave if necessary as for

[00:09:50] swag there wasn't that much there was not butter that you can use in order to lubricate your

[00:09:56] skin to avoid chafing which obviously as you know and so I forgot to apply but then you also were

[00:10:04] able to just get some free race t-shirts from previous races and those are really kind of nice they

[00:10:10] were just sitting in bins and you could grab whatever another thing Ryan that you are able to

[00:10:14] get at the Expo is free headlamps and now you're going to wonder what you need headlamps well it's

[00:10:21] called a tunnel light marathon for a reason and we'll hop into that as we talk about the race but

[00:10:26] the race has about 2.4 miles that you are running through a pitch dark tunnel so they were providing

[00:10:33] headlamps I had another little light that normally gets strapped onto a bike that you can also wear

[00:10:39] kind of almost like a ring that I was planning on using and then dispose off after you

[00:10:44] exceeded the first section of the marathon course which was about 2.5 miles into the race where

[00:10:51] they had bins to put your headlights and you could attach your number on it so you could later

[00:10:56] on retrieve that light the tunnel actually sounds kind of cool I think it would be fun to

[00:11:01] okay so XBODE anything else you do? At the Expo I also got to meet the owner and the race director

[00:11:08] both whom I talked to previously over the phone prior to coming they were super super nice

[00:11:14] chat at far while and you know it's just kind of like a mom and pop race it felt very very nice

[00:11:20] very well organized and I was very happy to be there we returned to the home after eating some food

[00:11:27] I had some fa patty had some Italian food because she didn't want to be exotic with her food choices

[00:11:34] oh I also had oysters the night before. I was putting my luck but um yeah so after that we just returned

[00:11:42] to the room patty would just leave it like five o'clock or four thirty I was up till maybe 10 o'clock

[00:11:48] and then went to sleep and slept I think about six hours the race wasn't supposed to start until

[00:11:55] 8 a.m but we had to drive to the starting area and all that stuff so we were up at five.

[00:12:01] 8 a.m. or you still needed a headlamp huh? That's how dark that tunnel was yeah.

[00:12:06] So you want us to talk about race day? Yeah so race day like I said we had it downstairs

[00:12:12] at the hotel grab their grab and go breakfast which consisted of a muffin and a banana and they had

[00:12:18] some coffee and drove towards this no-call me pass so it was interesting you know most races

[00:12:26] shuttle you to the beginning of the race up the hills here was the opposite you drove up to this no-call

[00:12:31] me pass parked there and then you would run down and there would be school bus is taking you back

[00:12:37] to the starting line which I like and I don't like right I like that it is um it takes less time

[00:12:44] at the same time I want to go straight home after I'm done running normally. Yeah yeah I don't

[00:12:51] know I can I guess I kind of like it except for if you finish without a lot of other people around

[00:12:56] and you might be waiting for the bus to fill before you get to ride back to your car.

[00:13:02] Yeah I don't know I mean it does it wasn't like that when when I was running it was pretty

[00:13:05] packed still but yeah I think I might actually be better than in some ways because usually at the

[00:13:14] crowds of people all trying to get on buses to go to the starting line so like but when you're

[00:13:21] when you're racing like usually the starting line super crowded but then when you're racing

[00:13:25] and finishing it's not as crowded because everyone spread out. No exactly. So you want to talk about

[00:13:33] start of the race? Yes so the race started properly at eight o'clock prior to that we were sitting in

[00:13:38] the parking lot the temperatures were perfect it was in the 50s upper 50s so it was just kind of like

[00:13:45] where you feel like you need to move a little bit to say warm but you weren't freezing I didn't

[00:13:52] even have any disposable clothes if that tells you something. Sometimes when you're in the mountains

[00:13:57] it doesn't feel as bad as it really was temperature wise. Yeah it felt kind of sheltered so

[00:14:02] the race started at eight o'clock with wave one but it almost felt like a rolling start they weren't

[00:14:09] very strict about what wave had to start when so you could almost just walk up to the starting line

[00:14:16] and then just go whenever you were ready to go. The anthem was sung and then eventually I decided

[00:14:23] that I would start running. Is the tunnel the first thing? So the tunnel is about half a mile into

[00:14:31] the race so you're going towards the freeway area and then you see this big old railroad entrance

[00:14:39] from a tunnel and Ryan that tunnel is pitch black dark. It was kind of fun it felt cooler inside

[00:14:49] of the tunnel than the regular air but it was really dark and glad I did bring my light although

[00:14:56] obviously other people that are also wearing lights light everything up but I felt like the

[00:15:01] footing was a little bit difficult because not only is it dark but there's also a few pot holes

[00:15:07] and then also the track of where the railroad used to be is higher than the sides of

[00:15:15] two more towards the walls so when you're trying to pass someone it almost goes down so you

[00:15:27] yeah and I was really happy to have heard overheard a talk the day before between two

[00:15:33] runners where one of them said oh yeah I've done this race before and stay more towards the left

[00:15:39] of the tunnel because that's flatter than the other area so I just listened to that and avoided

[00:15:46] all the pot holes of all costs. It's called light at the end of the tunnel because about half a mile

[00:15:52] into the tunnel you're supposed to be able to look up and see that there is light at the end of

[00:15:57] the tunnel for the next two miles. I was running behind some really tall guys though so I didn't

[00:16:04] really have that luxury of seeing that light and also I didn't want to take my eyes of the ground

[00:16:09] and that's kind of my continual story of this race I didn't want to look up a lot at all even

[00:16:15] though it was very beautiful the footing was what I was personally you know struggling with a little bit

[00:16:22] I feel like it'll be a little anti-climatic because by the time you get out and you see the light

[00:16:26] you still got 20 more miles to run plus. I was thinking I would feel that way too but it didn't

[00:16:33] feel that way. So what other memorable parts of the first half do you can you talk to us about?

[00:16:39] It's funny that you asked that question because as I was running I was thinking about you asking

[00:16:43] me this question and it was trying to ingrain in my brain things that were different but it kind of

[00:16:49] felt almost spread even so you would have beautiful views if you managed to look up and take a peek

[00:16:56] on the right side because you could see you know the mountain would drop off sometimes it was part of

[00:17:01] the road where it would go all the way to the edge and then there was just a very steep drop off so

[00:17:06] I was thinking about that on the left side was where the mountain was and the forest the woods

[00:17:14] everything was pretty beautiful there are rats on the road that made it an even pretty much the entire

[00:17:20] time I think there was one section across a bridge towards mile 20 I could be wrong that was paved and

[00:17:28] those I don't know 50 hundred feet of paved road wearing the alpha flies that I was wearing felt magical

[00:17:36] I could feel the alpha flies pop but the rest not so much I just wore the wrong shoes but

[00:17:43] we'll talk about that. Let's talk about that yeah I mean I think I've you know running in the

[00:17:49] alpha flies just around the neighborhood they don't have they don't seem to have a lot of like

[00:17:53] medial lateral stability but they're just very spongy and they're fun to run on when you have a nice

[00:17:59] surface but running on the gravel and rugged roads not so good huh?

[00:18:04] No not at all they don't have much traction and they are high up so it feels very unstable my ankles

[00:18:11] were sore the day after because I'm trying to keep stable I knew it was going to be that effect

[00:18:18] was going to be blown up a little bit because of lack of training because I knew I was going to

[00:18:21] fatigue out faster and yeah so I just also didn't have the best grip so I constantly was

[00:18:29] almost rolling the ankles on this road but still I mean that's my own fault right for not

[00:18:35] informing myself well enough and bringing alpha flies I had one friend tell me don't wear your

[00:18:40] alpha flies I didn't listen but but here we are right it was still it was still a lot of fun

[00:18:46] so during that first half I heard the sounds of nature that was beautiful I ran almost the entire

[00:18:54] time with people so even though you think that number of 831 is not a lot it felt like

[00:18:59] there was a lot of people around surrounding you you never felt alone there was no wildlife

[00:19:04] sightings or anything like that I did hear a lot of birds chirping in the trees which was beautiful

[00:19:12] and even saw a couple waterfalls all that's cool anything distinct in the second half from the first

[00:19:21] yeah so I remember seeing rock climbers on our path a few times you know after you cross one of

[00:19:28] those bridges you saw them there are belaying and climbing the rocks so that was kind of cool too

[00:19:33] because they were just going about their day and there was just you know I may have gone crossing

[00:19:36] through their path so that was funny that was kind of funny so you mentioned a railroad so was it like

[00:19:43] an old railroad track that was converted to trailer something I think that's what it looked like

[00:19:48] I guess from what you can tell from the videos I showed you you think that too right

[00:19:52] yeah that's it I was thinking so almost like a single-lane road or at least a functional

[00:19:58] portion that you can run on yes exactly and it was a little bit higher in the middle but I mean

[00:20:05] it's just kind of like it's more worn on the on the sides unfortunately I felt like an and I said

[00:20:12] that before you know my legs were fatigued faster than they should have because of lack of training

[00:20:15] but every time a bike or would come up that hill on the left side I would go back to the right

[00:20:22] side and just crossing from the left to the right felt kind of tedious because I always thought

[00:20:29] okay I'm going to fall on it didn't feel very stable but again alpha-sized combination of fatigue

[00:20:34] legs yeah also given that it was a if it wasn't all railroad track usually they make the

[00:20:42] slopes very gradual so was it it might be beneficial when you're running have very gradual slopes

[00:20:48] upper down you're not getting any sharp steep hills yeah I didn't feel like that at all

[00:20:53] like a times it felt like it wasn't even downhill but I mean I guess that's kind of nice rain

[00:21:00] it would be a good way to come back and be trained for that race it sounds kind of cool I mean

[00:21:05] maybe in the future I would like to run that one maybe we'll be back next year rain anything else

[00:21:10] on the second half of your marathon I had a couple questions but before I ask him anything else

[00:21:14] in the second half oh second half we're not talking about the finish yet right no all right so I mean

[00:21:21] no but you know rain this race didn't feel like it would get old I feel like normally you're running

[00:21:26] 26 miles and around mile 20 you kind of over it and even though I was tired I felt like it was just

[00:21:31] beautiful and it didn't bother me to be running that race as much as I you know it normally bothers

[00:21:37] me to finish yeah maybe the downhill helped you do you want to go into the finish then yeah so

[00:21:46] I crossed the finish line I saw the finish line and I realized how close I was to beading that

[00:21:52] 330 so I picked it up a little bit at the end and finished there were a ton of medical tent chairs

[00:22:00] available so I just sat down for a second I feel like I had pulled something in my foot the entire race

[00:22:06] I don't know if it was because I had stepped on a rut or a rock or something but right where my plan of

[00:22:13] fashion is that area had been really really tight so when I sat down I might have shed a tear or

[00:22:19] too I don't know and then I saw West to and it felt good because it was someone I knew so I might

[00:22:26] have shed another tear and that that was the finish the finish line was kind of fun you know they had

[00:22:34] plenty of food there they had a whole pool you know one of those pop up pools with cold water

[00:22:43] so you could step into into that pool and there was a ton of cool people there was one guy

[00:22:48] that we'd been seeing at the hotel over and over and became friends with he was there with his daughter

[00:22:54] and his granddaughter and then another guy that I didn't realize where I knew from he was also

[00:23:01] taking my hotel I had said hi to him and I'd asked him where I knew from and he could remember

[00:23:06] it he was wearing an LA marathon shirt so it's like oh maybe from there when I saw him at the pool he

[00:23:11] was like I remember where I knew you from and he said that we had met in Tokyo at the race at a sushi bar

[00:23:18] because you know kind of hung up by myself in Tokyo so I was chatting up people and he I guess was one

[00:23:24] lucky one so then we remember it reminisced and he was with his friends so we all hung out and it was

[00:23:32] kind of fun it was a fun finish line just for reference I don't think you've ever had a marathon

[00:23:39] where you haven't cried I don't remember that like that but so a couple questions like it's

[00:23:47] an atypical race for you I guess for marathon's in general used to running on cities your

[00:23:53] people person streets how does this compare to the typical marathon it's just a different experience

[00:24:02] right the reason I booked my flight I would of Washington the same night at midnight was not just

[00:24:09] because I wanted to go back to my family but because I knew there wasn't going to be the race

[00:24:13] unfair that you usually used to normally finish a race in one of those major cities and then there's

[00:24:18] a happy hour and then there's stuff going on in the evenings with this when I knew it was going

[00:24:21] to pretty much end at noon at the finish line and then you just take the buses back to your car

[00:24:26] and you know then what are you gonna do your niss little town so so I knew that was gonna happen

[00:24:32] the other thing obviously I love exposed but I mean I knew what I was going into with this experience

[00:24:38] and I don't really mind these races but I feel like you would have really enjoyed this type of race

[00:24:43] because you're not so much of a people person and well I'm not a big crowd person I don't mind

[00:24:49] people I just like big crowds I don't like as much yeah as you yeah so I think you would have

[00:24:54] really liked it you also are into trails and outdoors and that kind of stuff I think that race

[00:24:59] would have really been up here alley and I feel like this trip would have been fun to do as a family

[00:25:06] as well because there's so much to do with nature as well while you're there whereas I feel like

[00:25:13] when you go to these big you know concrete jungles it's not as fun with smaller kids to just

[00:25:19] try to do everything mayor I thought related so you'd go back I think I would go back I mean

[00:25:27] you know the one thing that was difficult is the gravel and again it's something that you can

[00:25:34] prepare yourself for other than that the course is really really good the weather was perfect

[00:25:40] you just have to be prepared for the race do you have a specific shoe you'd recommend and

[00:25:48] you know maybe even the I love racing in Nike alpha fights for my fast races and I feel like

[00:25:59] you could have maybe gotten away with this one would the Hoka Cello X was also a carbon-plated shoe

[00:26:05] but it just is more stable it's wider at the bottoms maybe a tiny bit heavier and feeling

[00:26:10] that would have been better and then of course there's trail shoes but as you know and as you

[00:26:15] guys know we're doing reviews of shoes on on YouTube we've just started reviewing some trail shoes so

[00:26:23] I can't recommend trail shoe but for a road racing shoe I think you could just get away with a pair of

[00:26:35] weather conditioning gear from Nike and that one pair of Hoka's that we used while we were in

[00:26:40] California to speak good sixes it's kind of in your head I think too that we always try to get the

[00:26:47] lightest shoes for races but in reality I don't know if we'd even notice if shoes were heavy

[00:26:54] or buy a whole ounce or so. So do you have any final thoughts on the tunnel light marathon and

[00:27:00] you give it a rating? Final thoughts it's a beautiful race I think everyone should do

[00:27:06] themselves a favor if the Oregon to do a downhill race setup for one of those it's not an

[00:27:11] aggressive downhill it's very enjoyable it's a very beautiful course it's very easy to navigate

[00:27:17] to logistically rating I mean you know right and you know being a rating I would probably rated a

[00:27:24] note of 10 but that's only to my own fault of not having been prepared better again I feel like

[00:27:31] if you're gonna run a course like that be prepared and take advantage of that slight downhill slope

[00:27:36] otherwise you're just kind of wasting your time with the race like that so that's pretty much it

[00:27:42] about this race. Are you going to do a YouTube video about the race? I will probably put something up

[00:27:47] because I brought my little camera and captured some images and videos that words cannot

[00:27:55] how do you say that? Describe words cannot describe the beauty of it and the gravel I

[00:28:01] want you guys to see the gravel so you're better prepared than me and yeah. So if you want to see

[00:28:07] what let he's been describing go to the YouTube channel also there's a current giveaway

[00:28:13] till September 27 and watch out for scammers don't listen to any emails or anything else because

[00:28:22] let he are you gonna give the winner on your YouTube channel? Oh yeah a little background why

[00:28:27] Ryan is saying this I've posted my very first contest on YouTube you can win a Hoka's yellow

[00:28:33] X pair of shoes and I did everything according to the guidelines of YouTube however somebody

[00:28:39] created a fake account and started notifying people that they had won after entering into the contest

[00:28:45] the only handle that we have on YouTube is at running podcasts there's no ready runs I call

[00:28:51] myself ready runs on the channel but there is no at-letty runs or anything else and Ryan and I

[00:28:57] have decided that we're gonna release the news of the winner via a video and then we will contact

[00:29:03] the winner directly probably give him a code or something so we can get the correct address

[00:29:09] I'm like super into online security now and I guess it's just gonna be a couple of steps process but

[00:29:19] yeah. And hopefully more shoes in the future? Yes yes we'll have another giveaway in October

[00:29:24] so stay tuned for next week. Yes because next week speaking about shoes we're going to have a

[00:29:29] podcast on how to purchase or what you consider when you're purchasing your running shoes

[00:29:34] just in time for running season exactly so congratulations to everybody who raised Sydney

[00:29:40] good luck to everyone that is racing Berlin and coming up Chicago and with that have a great week of running

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